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January 03, 2008

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Hattie

Kern just made that stuff up. It's ridiculous.

David Steinmueller

I read Kern's piece and I have to say that it is in fact a very interesting article, not far off the mark in my opinion.

I don't know if David Vickrey actually read Kern's essay before writing his post, because contrary to the assertion in this blog, Germany is not singled out for criticism, any more than is Spain or France.

Also, Kern's essay says nothing about Europe's refusal to play the role of a submissive wife.

On the contrary, Kern argues, accurately, I believe, that Europeans are using anti-Americanism to define a new European identity.

Anyone who knows Germany has to admit that many Germans equate George W Bush with Adolf Hitler, so I would not find it that far fetched if they also make a link between the carnage in Iraq and the holocaust.

My own experience with Germans is that they often find it very hard to face criticism. It is much easier for them to shoot the messenger than to admit that some facets of German leftism are rotton to the core. But then again, they are not all that different from the Left in the US or anywhere else.

In any case, interesting blog.

David

Kern's criticizes Europe for not following the US in the invasion of Iraq and the "war on terror". In fact, Europeans take terrorism very seriously but reject the phrase "war on terror".

Kern states that Germans "routinely" equate the Iraq War with the Holocaust. I challenge him to cite one example.

Adam

These are some interesting views presented. Overall, its much of the same I hear from european press so hopefully there is some original thinking here.

I think the USA has the right of it, perhaps europeans aren't able to look at it from the American perspective. I wonder if it is terrifying to ask yourself: "What if the Americans are in the right?" "What if the Americans are once again bailing out the europeans because they have lost all their grit and have become hardcore pacifists?" I known any european will write this off and return fire with plenty of comments about CIA secret prisons and how Guantanamo Bay needs to be shut down, how US soldiers are torturing everyone they capture, etc. etc. I see it all the time, new articles out to feed the hunger of anti-americanism. I just thought it would have seemed obvious by now that you're being played and spoon-fed what you want to hear and no longer care about the truth.

America will lead those who need leadership, but it will be based on the same principles we've always had. You may be trying to still figure those out, but its pretty simple. Think about our fight for independence to try a grand experiment in democracy to our storming of the beaches of normandy to our billions of dollars in foreign aid we give (without our government having to tax it away from us, so dont even think about comparing the statistics without adding in our freely give donations, I've seen that trick too many times) to the liberation of Afghanistan and Iraq. Yes, they are trying experiences and tasks that cost our blood and a willingness to do whatever we can to defend our freedoms and our allies whether they know they are in dire straits or not.
Does anybody want Saddam back in europe? Does anybody want his to open back up his torture chambers and his chemical factories, his genocidal military? Do europeans even care that they have found hundreds upon hundreds of thousands of bodies in mass graves and they are still uncovering more from his regime? These people have a real chance now and maybe they fail on their own two feet, but at least we took that chance to give them the opportunities many of us take for granted living in prosperour urban neighborhoods with high-speed internet and nothing better to do but complain about global warming and other weather theories, must be a nice privledge to not prioritize actual problems. Go let the world suffer, walk outside and hug a tree if you think it will make you feel better. I'd rather be on the side thats at least trying to do something.

We're not asking you to follow us, do what you want, just don't expect us to change who we are or what we believe in.

God Bless!

David

"a willingness to do whatever we can to defend our freedoms"

@Adam,

With all due respect, most Americans don't believe that the occupation of Iraq has anything to do with "defending our freedoms".

I've spent the last several weeks speaking with independent voters in New Hampshire and when the topic of Iraq came up most said it was a colossal, unnecessary blunder that was based on a grand deception.

Sure, there are some voters who are attracted to John McCain, who vowed to stay in Iraq "for 100 years", but most want the US to end the costly debacle. All of the national polls have been consistent in confirming this as well.

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