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July 27, 2013

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koogleschreiber

Oh yes, our governments have to be trusted under all circumstances. They have superior knowledge and the more they know the better it is for us. We need more cameras everywhere, no car should go untracked anymore. In short, our governments must have a card blanche in regard of our privacy. Why not? Only criminals would be afraid of that. Why does it take so long to get IPV6 fully implemented? We all need to have a static life time internet adress, we should strive for the abolition of anonymity. Nothing compares to 100% security. Citizens must not have bad dreams while sleep walking, such as to answer future questions like "What did you know about the total monitoring and what did you do against it?" The planetary dredge is ready and we better not ask anymore how the meshes will be adjusted today or in future.

Zyme

While (most) Germans may be fine with German agencies collecting information (as they are expected to focus on our interests), I would also point out that it cannot be in our interest to allow foreign organizations collect data on our citizens.

With the exception of diplomatic representation, it should be reason enough to remove all official US institutions from Germany and Europe for that matter.

David

@Zyme - do you really believe the Chinese and Russian spy agencies are not collecting - or trying to collect - as much data as possible on German organizations - and individuals - as possible? Maybe they are just less successful - up to now - than the Americans.

Also, can someone explain to me what damage has been done to German civil liberties up to now - other than Sascha Lobo getting his panties in a twist? What journalists have been censored,what opposition voices suppressed, etc?

On the other hand, there is evidence that terrorist activity has been thwarted...

koogleschreiber

Two days after Snowden leaked PRISM, Obama's 2008 election campaign website change.gov was shut down. Why aren't we surprised?


The Obama-Biden Plan

Protect Whistleblowers: Often the best source of information about waste, fraud, and abuse in government is an existing government employee committed to public integrity and willing to speak out. Such acts of courage and patriotism, which can sometimes save lives and often save taxpayer dollars, should be encouraged rather than stifled. We need to empower federal employees as watchdogs of wrongdoing and partners in performance. Barack Obama will strengthen whistleblower laws to protect federal workers who expose waste, fraud, and abuse of authority in government. Obama will ensure that federal agencies expedite the process for reviewing whistleblower claims and whistleblowers have full access to courts and due process.

Too bad for Obama, the internet doesn't forget anything...
http://web.archive.org/web/20130425082834/http://change.gov/agenda/ethics_agenda/

Hattie

Well, if we have decided that citizens have no right to privacy, then so be it, but let's not try to find excuses for all this intrusive surveillance.

David

Maybe someday some people will acknowledge that America's postwar security umbrella allowed Germany to achieve unparalleled political, economic, and cultural freedom.

But America will always be the Great Satan to the German left.

Jake

Man kanns auch uebertreiben mit der verlaecherlichenden Lobhudelei auf Totalueberwachung. And America is one of the great Satans on this Planet.

dz alexander

I'm with koogleschreiber. And it is astonishing how liberals are defending the regime -- more Democrats than republicans voted not to put a ring in the NSA's nose.
Meanwhile Obama has just geared up to make preventive detention legal -- after the fact, just as the FISA ammendments did Bush's surveillance.

And I agree with Hattie. along with an American or two -- "The right to be left alone -- the most comprehensive of rights and the right most valued by civilized men" - Justice Louis Brandeis, 1928.

Big Brother is OK as long as he's American David?

David

I may have a slightly different feeling about terrorist threats.

For years I worked at 222 Broadway in New York City, directly across the street from the World Trade Center. I was knocked from my chair by the explosion of the first bombing in February 1993. I know people who died when the North Tower collapsed 8 years later.

I happened to be in Boston this year on April 15 when the Marathon bombs exploded.

We can debate how much data the NSA should be allowed to collect and how long the data should be archived. But threats in the US and elsewhere - including Germany - have been uncovered through the work of the NSA, and that's a good thing - no matter how loudly Sascha Lobo cries about the "United Stasi of America".

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