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December 10, 2014

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Zyme

I strongly doubt other countries would handle (seemingly) threatening individuals differently after an event like 9/11.

Do you think people in Europe share the outrage our organized press corps trumpets out right now?

koogleschreiber

"We must think the unthinkable now!" The famous quote of former German chancellor Helmut Schmidt and he demanded that at the peak of terrorism in Germany committed by the RAF. The public opinion was that it included everything from torture to execution of the already imprisoned terrorists and the majority, motivated by the tabloids of the Springer press, lightly agreed. Compared to 9/11 every crime the RAF committed was almost a non-event, nevertheless it had a huge impact on the population. So who are we to point our finger at the USA in this case?

David

@koogleschreiber
I was a student in Germany during the "Deutscher Herbst" and remember vividly the atmosphere of hysteria. Still, I don't believe that suspects were actually tortured. Nor did the BND establish "Blace Sites" like the CIA.

Aboutathing

Most experts agree that torture doesn't work. Most people will tell you anything you want to hear after a while. Torture is bad m`kay. Just listen to McCain's speech, which is linked in the above article. His war wounds, including wounds from torture, left him with lifelong physical limitations. PLus, torture is just not a cool thing to do to someone. It's disrespectful to the people that died on 9/11 to propagate an idea that their deaths led to our approval of torture. The people who say that torture is necessary are probably the same venture capitalists that are currently lobbying for harder drug laws in the U.S. We have to be careful not to create the American Gulag. We can't let gifts to the public, like this report, be belittled in bureaucratic jargon. America is split right up the middle with Democrats and Republicans. This is exactly the reason why my country can never get anything that matters done. Human beings need the illusion of two sides to entice them into the game. The game of opposites. I still refuse to debate torture any more than what I've already stated here. Moving forward, there needs to be a clear line drawn on torture in war scenarios. And maybe our government, since it seems so willing to forgive itself for all of its wrongdoings, could also try to be a little more forgiving of others.

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